Opinion counts: The Reproductive Health Bill in the Philippines
89My turn to speak (UPDATED- 2011)
As an avid blogger, I was originally doing a research on the education system of the Philippines when I stumbled upon the news of the Reproductive Health bill still under debate, which eventually led me to a blog, AlterNation 101 in blogspot, where I read his take on the issue:
"I cannot fathom how promoting parental responsibility and financing everyone's freedom to have sex irresponsibly could mix together. Surely, the proposed law spreads around nice words such as responsibility, healthcare, freedom, choice, development, rights, equality, couples, etc. Yet it is nothing but an attempt to remove God from our government and society."
I cannot help but ponder on this fallacious statement and had me thinking about my stand on RH bill. The statement generally stands on an illusion that one is not a Catholic if you dare support this bill. First of all, the bill does not, as the blogger Sef Dudeo distastefully puts it, "finance everyone's freedom to have sex irresponsibly." And if we're reading the same bill at all, it actually does the complete opposite. Second, one can support family planning that implements parental responsibility and still be a good Catholic.
I cannot interpret the RH bill as "anti-life." My definition of anti-life would be to completely deprive of the people of access to such knowledge.
What exactly is being pro-life? Because there is nothing "pro-life" about unwanted children being born in hostile conditions, being forced to beg on the streets and relying on people's change and leftovers. Not so many of these children are lucky to rise from these poor circumstances. Majority of them repeat this vicious cycle well into their adulthood.
If other people are "pro-life", I am "pro-quality of life."
The Church claims that it is the parents' responsibility to educate their children on these delicate issues; If one would allow that claim is based on the assumption that every parent in the country is already educated, well-informed and updated, as well as emotionally and mentally prepared to discuss such information to their children, I think critics should bite their tongues and take into consideration the great number of citizens, especially those in poverty lines, who did not have the opportunity to learn , much less discuss, anything about sexual health.The opportunity to be educated about nutrition, family planning, parental responsibility and healthcare in full, honest and appropriate disclosure is hindered because the Church has been hysterically opposing it as unacceptable and un-Catholic to do so.
Un-Catholic, is it, to inform the youth, couples and families about their sexual health?
I think people have the right to know and be completely aware of their reproductive biology, the odds of infertility, the responsibility and possible complications of pregnancy/child-rearing, their capability to prevent STDs and HIV/AIDS, or the understanding what unwanted pregnancy and abortion could lead to? How is it un-Catholic, exactly, to show people how to properly manage their sexual well-being?
I am a Roman Catholic, but I think it is completely ridiculous when the Church are scared off their wits just hearing the terms "abortion", "sex education" or "contraceptives" like parents suddenly get uptight when a kissing scene comes up on the TV screen and command their sixteen-year-old to close his eyes until it's over. The Church is screaming bloody murder, saying the bill would lead to the legalization of abortion.
The RH bill "expressively provides that abortion remains a crime and prevention of abortion is essential to implement" the program. How do we prevent abortion? By not mindlessly engaging early in sexual activities that would lead to unwanted pregnancies. The best way to delay these early initiations to sexual relations is to instill correct sexual values along with the knowledge.
Ironic, isn't it, that the Philippines is the most Catholic-dominant country in Asia yet it manages to have one of the highest abortion rates around?
Of course, I'm not saying that it's the Church's fault that abortion is at large, but I strongly suggest that they let go of the narrow concept of sexuality education being unacceptable simply because they do not understand how this knowledge would significantly reduce, if not eliminate, the number of abortions in the country. I do not want our future generation to suffer from their irrationality, suspicion and overall mistrust to their own country.
Another criticism to this bill would be that sexuality education will "spawn a culture of promiscuity." The message they're relaying is that: this bill will teach the youth to have sex. If they're taught to have sex accompanied with the use of artificial contraceptives, we will spawn a generation of sex maniacs.
I've done research about abortion and teen pregnancies for a school project and one of the main reasons why teens get pregnant is because of:
a.)their conservative upbringing which means their family deem it unthinkable to even educate their children about sex-much less, mention the idea,
b.) they've been brought up with false facts or myths about sex and pregnancy and/or
c.) their religious upbringing has brought the idea to their heads that they must remain pure until marriage, which is a long shot once they're past puberty because, hey, nobody told them about sexual health, much less about how to deal with sexual curiousity.
This is a very disappointing, black-and-white view of how the Church sees the youth today. Keep the youth ignorant so that they won't engage in sexual activities? What they don't know won't hurt them? I think people who are opposing on this bill flew off the handle when they read that the RH education program would discuss these "delicate issues" to Grade 5 elementary students up to 4th year high school students and neglected the key word "age-appropriate" written with it. The bill does not promote the youth "to have sex." It simply seeks to quench their curiousity with appropriate information and proper guidance before they turn to incompetent sources for answers to what's happening to their bodies.
Educating the youth would also help reduce incidences of sexual abuse. I have a good friend, who was sexually molested when she was a toddler, who confided in me that if she only knew the personal boundaries regarding sexual health and sexuality, she wouldn't have to go through such a terrible ordeal and coming out confused and guilty in the end. As part of her class requirement a few years ago, she did a thorough research of sexual abuse cases and firmly believes that sexual education for the youth is one of the most promising solutions to eliminate/reduce these incidences.
Tell me what does promote a culture of promiscuity- ignorance or transparency?
More than 50 percent of Filipinos favored a "population policy, including family planning." So I'm wondering if the Church has the best interests of their people at heart, or they're simply voicing out their idealistic views for the sake of voicing it.
I challenge all representatives of CBCP to go to the poorest of the poor, the stenchiest of the stench and the lowest of the low and see how families in poverty are unable to support and educate their children. I want those representatives immerse themselves to go by foot and see how overpopulation affects their lives and the country's surroundings. True, it's not the children's fault, seeing as they're all just trying to survive and their own parents can't even sustain themselves. And people wonder why there's a gap between the rich and the poor.
Just yesterday, the headline in the Philippine Inquirer was "Bishops quit RH bill talks." The CBCP (Catholic Bishop's Conference of the Phils.) representatives have walked out of Senate discussions on the reproductive health bill, saying that their views are "only duly noted" and that lawmakers "invited us just for the sake of consulting us." Congressman Lagman poignantly reminds, commenting on the remarks of one of the representatives, that "you are not invited here to get what you want, but to give your views. If your views would not be consistent with what legislators think should be the national policy, you have to defer to the legislators."
Tasked to sponsor the bill on the Senate floor, Senator Biazon defended the government's right to pass this bill, responding that): "this is an affair of the State. The State must respond to the needs of the people. If the teachings of the Church are against the use of modern artificial contraception, the Church should touch base with their flock. They should go to the pulpit, and teach. I hope they're fair when they do this."
It is sad that we are one of the few countries left being controlled by the Church. Many first-world and progressive nations are able to separate the affairs of the Church from the affairs of the State.
Frankly, the CBCP wouldn't probably understand a thing or two about family planning until each of them are raising children of their own.
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Final notes about the RH bill:
* A lot of people say that the RH bill is not the solution for poverty. I say: of course it won't! What bill, law, program, and/or reform can totally eradicate poverty? But this bill would be a huge contributing factor to alleviating poverty in this country, taken collectively with other programs and actions against poverty-related issues.
*RH is not abortion. I'd like to include an excerpt from Conrado de Quiros' article (entitled "Rx")about this argument:
"Using a condom no more produces an unborn child than sleeping produces an unborn masterpiece. An unborn child does not exist. It is no more real than an unborn thought, an unborn romance, an unborn heroism. You want to light a candle on the grave of the child that “died” from contraception, feel free to do so. But don’t include others in your lunacy.
You want to have an idea of life and death, again go visit the teeming mass huddled inside cardboard boxes that pass for shelter beside the mountains of trash and jutting over dead creeks and rivers. And see what that does to very real, very tangible, very born children."
* Others claim that there is no overpopulation in the Philippines. Only a widespread, unequal distribution of wealth and resources. Let me just emphasize: No matter how good the intentions of the government, no matter how brilliant their distribution scheme is (if there is any), the distribution of wealth must go hand-in-hand with population control. Trying to feed a runaway population will only defeat the purpose. China is the second richest population in the world, yet they continue to strictly implement their famous one-child policy.
*In my opinion, partly the reason why some people are against the RH bill is because they focus mainly on the sex.
*It's true that other forms of contraceptives have side effects. Truth is, anything foreign that you put in or treat to your body- in relevance to medical practice- has side effects. Birth control pills do have to alter your hormones to affirm its purpose. Chemotherapy has severe side effects on a cancer patient, but that doesn't make it any less effective. Look at packagings of nasal sprays, painkillers, etc. Majority of them caution the consumer/patient of their products' side effects.
News, Facts, fallacies of the RH Bill.
- Miriam: Whoever says ‘darling, let us procreate’? | Inquirer Opinion
Senator Miriam Defensor, a strong supporter of the RH bill, talks about the RH bill as a constitutional right. - http://2010presidentiables.wordpress.com/reproductive-health-bill-5043/text-of-rh-bill-no-5043/
- Rx | Inquirer Opinion
Conrado de Quiros' argument. - GMANews.TV - CBCP to continue fight vs RH bill despite SWS survey - Nation - Official Website of GMA
MANILA, Philippines - The Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) on Thursday belittled the recent survey showing that a majority of Manila residents favor a law on reproductive health. - Bishops quit RH bill talks - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
- Global Voices Online » Philippines: Reproductive Health debate
what do you think? - Why the Reproductive Health Bill Debate Affects Every Filipino | Filipino Voices
In CBCP News, Archbishop Aniceto, justifying the continued population explosion, claimed that European countries and even the Americans have begun to suffer. - Reproductive health bill: Facts, fallacies - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
An in-depth read of the RH bill. - Reproductive Health Bill: Fact Sheet and Explanatory Note at Philippine e-Legal Forum
Philippine laws and legal system (JLP LAW blog) Reading the comments of one of the readers leaves me thinking how others see "sex education" with malice, it's quite sad.
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yes you have reason for that..
uhmm.for me I'm pro in rh bill because our country has a large amount of population.so i think it"s the time to have a step to controlled it.
rh bill should be passed because through this bill population growth can be contr0lled, pupulation growth will be at minimal. contraceptives are scientifically proven to kill embryo and to stop or inhibit infiltration of the sperm cell, it can stop pregnancy in short. while the religion believes ina god havent seen yet.. if you wont use contraceptives then there will be continues growth of the population, but with these contraceptives,the growth of population will be controlled. besides the state and the church here in the philippines are legally separated^_^
i believe that using contraceptives and other method to control bith is considered "abortion" and "mortal sin".. as a student, i am also aware of what is happening around me.as what i have observed many teens engaged theirself on different activities in which we should not engaged into.. got pregnant because of the so called "curiousity".. because of curiousity, they forgot that they commited the sin. "sana lang po hindi lang sa school makakuha ng good advice ang mga batang katulad namin. we need guidance from our family. nice hub.
la ko labot
uhmm.for me I'm pro in rh bill because our country has a large amount of population.so i think it"s the time to have a step to controlled it.
isipin naman ang mga buhay na nka salalay, kong pwde lang na mapigilan ang pag sex , so gawin ,at sana namn suggest lang po na kahit manlng matakot sa dyos eh gawn,,,, kaya dapat sana bago mgumpisa ng pamilya sana nman na gamtn o tangkilikin na sundin ang 1-2-3 child in every families in one country wlang problme sa bansa , pero sa tao dn nmn yan eh,,, so kng kaya d kaya
GOD IS WATCHING US IN WHAT WE ARE DOING!!!!! BE AWARE
yes to RH BiLL ako .
sapagkat batid ko ang problemang naidudulot ng
isang napakaraming populasyon .
Hindi naman sa tutol ako sa simbahan .
subalit mas nakikita ko ang kalagayan nating mga pilipino ngayon .
naghihirap !! Hindi niyo ba pansin yun ?
sapagkat nasa mabuti kayung pamumuhay .
eh ! pano yung mga batang nakakalat sa daan ?
walang makain .
mga pulubing walang matirhan ?
ang problemang yan ay hindi natin malulutas
kung hindi tayo kikilos .
kaya't dapat na ipatupad ang
RH BiLL nang sa gayun ay maiwasan ang paglobo
nang populasyon dito sa pilipinas .
at , mabawasan ang mga taong naghihirap dulot nang
DUMARAMING POPULASYON !
we all know that god created us .
BUT we must have control it by that RH law
to have a peaceful life .
...,,sabi pa nga ng dalawang nanay na concern sa rh bill, you, will you dare daw na kakain ka ng saging na may balat pa? did youG it?
with all your respect, i'll just borrow your article.. gagamitin nmin pra sa aming debate. tnx !
thank you so much!! may idea na aq for debate namin on February 24 about this bill .. i'll borrow ur ideas for a while ..
To be a responsible parent, one should think the future of his family first. His capacity and capability to raise his family and not through the use or practised of RH Bills nor any contraceptives. It only promotes selfishness among couples, because the reason of sex is for creation and not for self pleasure and contentment. Furthermore, the rapid population of the country is not the cause why we are suffering poverty. It is corruption or other factors. Maybe, poverty is one but not totally.
ahmmm,,,cguro nga kelangan nting makiisa sa sa pagsunod sa batas ng rh bill,bkt ?...mismong dalawang mata na ntin ang nakakakita sa malaking bilang ng populasyon sa bansa natin marami ring mga kabataan ang nawawalan ng pagkakataong makapag aral kaya dapat talaga na mapagaralan ang ganitong mga bagay2x....kaya agree sa RH bill
this opportunity was a good one don't you think this would help people to prevent over population which is the cause of Philippine poverty.. don't you think this is one way for us to have a success and prevent the poverty like i said before, and also because of preventing poverty there are people that could save their lives from death..death cause of losing foods...
hahai! thank you naka get nku unxa nang rh bill
well, anti rh bill ako .. hindi nmn sa nagmamarunong ,, nbsa ko kc lhat ng mga comments nio .. sbi nga ni God humayo at magpakarami ,, tpos sasabihin ng mga pro...naghihirap na tyo ...however,may batas nga nmn na "shall protect the life of the mother and the unborn from conception. tpos magpapatupad ng batas na rh bill?? e parang naglolokohan nlng db?? parang iniiwas nlng nila na pag usapan na ang dhilan ng khirapan ng bansa ay ung corruption na ginagawa ng mga nagpapatupad ng batas na yn.
For me everyone deserves to have there own choices. But i think Rh bill is not a choice but a chance, a chance to make this world a better place for each and everyone.
I think dapat talagang pairalin ang RH bill,para mapagplanuhan ng mag asawa,ang mga pangangailangan ng mga magiging anak nila.
...for me it is a big yes for the rh bill.dahil nga lobo na ng tau sa populasyon,at dahil dto lao patayong maghihirap.kya kailangan natin ang programang ito.
i think dapat munang pag-aralan ng mka-ilang beses ang mga provisions ng bill.there's nothing wrong sa pgplano ng pamilya provided na hindi ito against God's teachings.and God's teachings is telling us the righteous things..not to kill.......
i think dapat munang pag-aralan ng mka-ilang beses ang mga provisions ng bill.there's nothing wrong sa pgplano ng pamilya provided na hindi ito against God's teachings.and God's teachings is telling us the righteous things..not to kill.......
Anti-Rh bill... it depends on the couple on how they handle the situation.You really don't need to use a contraceptive just to control birth,poverty and population growth.There are lots of other ways on how to prevent this problems of our country. When you say responsible parenthood , you don't only say that you need to use contraceptives just to control birth. There are natural ways too. Sometimes "pills" causes hormonal imbalance to a woman and of course in some other cases it is abortifacient. These people should also know their responsibilities. Disciplining yourself by diverting you attention to important things that could benefit and improve your lifestyle other than sex. Besides, this RH bill will have the probability of increasing the abortion rates(infant morbidity), higher HIV prevalence, teenage pregnancy among teenage girls and of course a higher percentage of poverty in the Philippines.
thank you for posting this blog. very informative,very well-written...now I know what do those arguments really mean..COPY+PASTE
The Reproductive Health Bill has been very controversial upon its proposal. The said bill wants to uplift the quality of life of the people, to increase the share of each Filipino in the nation’s resources, and to eliminate poverty. However, the solution to poverty is development and not population control. The Reproductive Health Bill does not actually solve the problem; it may actually cause more predicaments. Since the contraceptive mentality ( I can’t have or I don’t want this child) is already there, if the contraceptives fail, people may just consider having an abortion.
There are more legitimate and more effective ways of promoting responsible parenthood. The use of artificial methods of family planning is not completely effective in preventing fertilization or the formation of the zygote. Some artificial contraceptives are actually abortifacient. At the same time these cannot totally protective users from sexually transmitted diseases (STD). They may also harm the body in numerous ways. In a natural order, human life is a gift that is so great and so full of possibilities that everyone should value it. Man is not the absolute owner of life; he is but its steward. However, man has the right to self-determination, making his choices based on the good and truth, always keeping with natural moral law. This means that neither state nor society nor any individual has the right to dictate to anyone on how to practice responsible parenthood, especially if the options go against their conscience or religious beliefs and convictions. With regards to sex educations, children have different levels of emotional maturity and sex education is proper of parents. In order to prevent unwarranted curiosity and correct the misconceptions, sex should never be considered taboo, but should be discussed by the parents to the children with delicateness and sensitivity.
The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that reproductive education and contraceptives will effectively reduce cases of abortion. Reproductive/contraceptive education will have no effect on the number of abortion cases. In my opinion, these abortion cases will not lessen because women will continue to have abortions regardless of whether they are pregnant or not.Abortions cannot be prevented. It’s just something that women naturally do. Like shopping, for example.
The RH Bill is wrong because it will make people participate in extra-marital and pre-marital sex. By approving the RH Bill, we as a nation, are practically encouraging our people to engage in immoral activities.We must protect our moral values and reject the RH Bill. Because, currently, not a single Filipino engages in pre-marital sex or extra-marital sex. As soon as this bill is approved, Filipino people will run the streets naked and start a national orgy!The root cause of extra-marital and pre-marital sex is one’s exposure to contraceptives. There is just something in contraceptives that people find very arousing.In Western countries, men lure strange women into bed by showing them condoms.If we ban condoms, absolutely no one would engage in pre-marital or extra-marital sex.
The RH Bill is wrong because it assumes that parents don’t teach their children about sex. The truth is that parents talk to their children about sex all the time. It’s so not awkward. The dad usually tells his children how he takes off all his clothes, does a sexy Tiger growl and makes sweet, sweet music with their mother’s body.Also, a father usually advises his daughter that if she’s going to have sex with her boyfriend, she should use a condom. Sometimes the father even drives the daughter to the boyfriend’s house and waits for the couple to finish.Filipino daughters don’t have sex without the father’s permission. Unwanted pregnancies or teen pregnancies never happen to Filipino girls. That’s why we do not need the RH Bill.
Lastly, if the Bill will be approved, it will be hard to find a virgin and conservative girl to become your wife. Like in America and in Europe there is no such girl who is 18 and still a virgin.Filipinos are conservative in nature, if our country will become less conservative because of the Bill, thus it affects our culture and our way of showing respect to the women.Filipinos by nature is a solid Christian and a believer to God’s way of giving new life, we all want the natural way, God’s way. But with this bill it probably could change our faith.
ako ay anti-rh bill kc hnd yan kasalanan ng mga bata kundi kasalanan yan ng mga nagiging pabaya sa knilang buhay
rh bill nlng ba ang nkkita nyung sagot para maiwasan ang bilang ng mga tao s bansa?''
gagawa kayo ng bagong batas at ano/''ang nka sulat sa bibliya ang babaguhin nyu?''
natural lng na dadmi tayo noh''!
mag icip nman sana kau ng ibang solution''naicip nyu nga ang rh.bill ee!!baka nman may iba pang paraan''!
hai naku..alam niu dapat na isabatas na ang RH BILL..puro patagal pa eh...dun din nman ang punta
RH Bill is not the answer to prevent POVERTY and OVERPOPULATION!!!!
matupad man or hindi eh wala na naman pinag kaiba yan.. isipin nyo nga.. bakit nila ipapatupad ang RH kung hindi naman kailangan?? sus nakikita nyo naman ang dami ng mga tao sa pilipinas na walang trabaho mga di nakakapag aral at mga namamalimus sa kalye.. mga nanay na walang ama...kasalanan din yan nating mga tao dahil sa walang control na pag dami natin yung iba pa nga nag yayabang pa kung naka ilang anak sa isang babae.. sus.. so ngayun aayaw ayaw tayo sa RH eh kasalanan din naman natin yan bakt nag karoon nyan.. wew.
matupad man or hindi eh wala na naman pinag kaiba yan.. isipin nyo nga.. bakit nila ipapatupad ang RH kung hindi naman kailangan?? sus nakikita nyo naman ang dami ng mga tao sa pilipinas na walang trabaho mga di nakakapag aral at mga namamalimus sa kalye.. mga nanay na walang ama...kasalanan din yan nating mga tao dahil sa walang control na pag dami natin yung iba pa nga nag yayabang pa kung naka ilang anak sa isang babae.. sus.. so ngayun aayaw ayaw tayo sa RH eh kasalanan din naman natin yan bakt nag karoon nyan.. wew.
ganyan talaga ang mundo maraming problema, manalig lamang kayo sa Diyos dahil may dahilan sya sa lahat ng nangyayari ngayon... isipin nyong mabuti kung ma approve ang RH bill.. ano na ang mangyayari sa pilipinas?? d nyo ba alam na sa bawat solution may side effects din..wag nyo palaging isipin ang ngayon ang isipin nyo ang bukas...
i am 100 percent roman catholic but i want to pass the reproductive health bill why? it simply because the children will suffer regarding to the irresponsible parenthood.many poor filipino have many children but they dont know how to take care their children and some times at early age their child get pregnant because they dont supervise their child very well.
- ANTI RH BILL , hindi ko sinasabing relihiyoso akong tao pero hindi naman talaga dapat ipatupad yang RH BILL na yan kasi , makakasama sa tao ang paggamit ng mga cotraceptives at pag naging legal ang pag gamit ng contraceptives ay matututo ang mga minordeedad na gumamit nito kahit wala sa hustong gulang , at dadami ang mapupulot na sakit sa pag gamit ng mga contraceptives at ang madalas na pag sesex .. nakakainis ! ang mga taong nga pro- rh bill hindi man lang nila inisip ang mang yayari kung ipaglalaban nila ang pag sa batas ng RH BILL .. alam kona madami ng tao sa ating bansa pero hindi nanganga hulugan na ang contraceptive o pagsa batas ng RH BILL ay makaka bawas sa ating population , malaking MALI yan ...
Thank you for writing this, it is very well written and informative. I agree 100 percent as I myself wrote my own blog 2 or so years ago where I take a very aggressive pro-RHB stance. Check it out: http://nocturnalis78.hubpages.com/hub/The-Reproduc
this issue is really a very sensitive one...so we need to know every detail of it...
Pro-quality of Life through anti-life? A is A and B is B
nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
That video is my reaction to all this RH Bill talk.
It is sad that we are one of the few countries left being controlled by the Church. Many first-world and progressive nations are able to separate the affairs of the Church from the affairs of the State.
Frankly, the CBCP wouldn't probably understand a thing or two about family planning until each of them are raising children of their own.
“RH Bill delay, 1000 die a day – RH bill Now na”
“Sabi nya kung mahal ko sya dapat patunayan ko, pero handa naba ako? – Katleen 16YO” Wag natin silang ibalewala, RH bill ipasa, Ngayon Na.
In our present condition where a family of five or seven, living in a shanty made of plastic garbage materials or anything that could cover them, squatting in the drainage alley, father without a permanent job and a mother who work as an extra vendor without any educational background, nursing a month old baby while pampering a two year old child on her lap, holding the other and hawking in an environment that competition for survival reign and her eldest daughter tempted by her boyfriend to test her love to him – under these whip of poverty hope and beauty cannot be express in this present face. In an honest examination, they are only victims of society’s materialistic demand under the wings of Corruptions, Selfishness of others, Government’s Mismanagement, Injustice, illiteracy and unequal distribution of resources – all might opine that they really need a messiah. Now, RH Bill finds these as legs to rally and rekindle the flickering light of hope of all oppress women. The long awaited Saga with a commanding voice coming from deities, whose powers cannot be hinder by anyone and anyone who oppose for this so called godly bill is no other than “anti-reason”.
But how does this Hero solve these problems? One solution is – Artificial Contraceptive pills! Antipathy over life is the crux of this bill! (Ok, some would say the bill talks also about health and reproductive care, yes but that is only a mask and it is useless to discuss it since we have existing laws that comprehensively tackle those issues.)
It is an anti-woman’s welfare contrary to those who believe it is. Contraceptive pills in any way cannot and will never help women in any angle as propose by this godly bill hidden in an angelic tone with diabolic spirit.
Since we focus only to the main sword use by this bill, one from many strong arguments laid by those who oppose this bill is the Contraceptive pills’ deadly effects like Cancer (check the latest clinical studies and other medical journal thru web). You don’t have to make an equation to find-out who will be the victim – of course not the male partner. Ridiculous to say this bill coined it as “Essential Medicine”. Maybe essential if you want to have a cancer so I will coin it as “death candies”.
These “death candies” not only causing cancer among women, but also reduce the role of a woman into a concept of “mere object”. As if returning to an era where woman whose right depends’ to man discretion. Mere object that can be own, can be purchase and after using it according to the product of fantasy - you can trash it. We are already far beyond this primitive notion, what we want is equality of rights in a most civilized society (women’s rights advocate). To treat them with respect, accept them as a whole and get what they deserve – a true women’s welfare.
Contradictory on what woman really deserve, the current world sees women as a big threat to progress, threat that needed to address needed to suppress (from Europe’s antiquities to WWII holocaust discrimination towards women are clearly manifested – “If the child is female, let her die” Spartan letter to his wife; Angel of Death (Josef Mengele) made an experiment on women (sterile) in a concentration camp that lead to holocaust). In a latest news, some Chinese physician are practicing gender selection wherein abort if it is a female fetus. We can see in history how the world discriminate female, go to pharmacy around the globe and you will find thousands upon thousands brand of contraceptive pills, sterile drugs etc. all design to suppress women nature to reproduce with a deadly effect compare to drugs design for counterpart gender (maybe they don’t bother about the effect since all they want is to address male dominant gender sexual drive). What about Condom? Yes created again to address male dominant gender sexual drive. One day we come to an age were contraceptive will go beyond its purpose (temporarily infertile) - go beyond the point without ethical ground like race selection, alter the fruits of the womb etc.
But it’s a choice of woman to take pills? Taking contraceptive pills is only a responsorial to dominant gender’s actuate, a female partner would not dare to take this pills without the pressure from male partner who’s always on demand for physical sensation - body at rest remain at rest. Some might argue that it is part of marital vow, yes I agree – a commitment of putting themselves totally to one another. Be aware of the word “Commitment” and “Totally”, to make it simple in Mang.Pedro’s Farm a hen and pig was chatting about how generous Mang.Pedro to them, so they decided to give him a good breakfast, the hen suggests “Bacon and Egg” but the pig reply, for you this is only a sensation but for me its a total commitment. So it’s unfair for a female partner to sacrifice her life under the pain of cancer while her male partner is more on sensation not to a total commitment.
So how can we bridge the gap on marital vow without sacrificing the proper spacing in the family? You are a woman regardless what social status you belong ("The right of the mother in the lowest social class is equal to the right of the mother in the highest social class. – Sen.Defensor) so in other words insist your Right to say NO. Abstinence (of a male partner) is a true respect to woman’s welfare – real respect to woman’s right. Marital vow ground on wanting a person not a body, wanting a respect on dignity not on sensation and no to discrimination and insisting gender dominancy.
Some may sing a song with the same lyrics that this bill will ensure the mother’s pregnancies would occur in healthy circumstances, does Abstinence has different result?
Lastly, some of poets argue that RH bill is outside the ordinary prose it is a poetry whose main purpose is a holistic approach in disseminating information so they can choose among it, whether she likes to exercise her right or not she has an options. It’s a big NO, it will only weaken woman’s innate rights to say “No” to her partner, and those options cited in the bill will support and legitimize man’s dominancy, as if the bill tried to inculcate that if a male partner violate your innate right you have other options (with deadly effects).
RH bill is only just a few lines from lyrics of anti-women agenda around the world. It is an angel of death under the cloth of a hero shouting on the top of the voice as “Pro-woman’s welfare”.
Craft a bill that empowers family as a building unit of society. That is what the constitution mandate. We don’t need RH bill.
bakit tumututol yung CBCP e wala naman silang nagagawa bout sa paghihirap ng pilipinas, RH bill is a way to minimize the poverty here in Philippines, pag ang tao ba nagugutom nabubusog ba sa dasal nila? No offense ha pero let's be practical.
bakit tumututol yung CBCP e wala naman silang nagagawa bout sa paghihirap ng pilipinas, RH bill is a way to minimize the poverty here in Philippines, pag ang tao ba nagugutom nabubusog ba sa dasal nila? No offense ha pero let's be practical.
masyado lang nating winewaste ang time in arguing as we all know we cant easily solve this kea kelangan tlga ng unity instead na iwaste ang time sa kakaargue about this kind of issue
they said:
Frankly, the CBCP wouldn't probably understand a thing or two about family planning until each of them are raising children of their own.\
I said:
why? does a doctor who haven't experienced cancer cannot anymore cure such decease or a police who haven't yet killed a person cannot anymore capture such killer? haha...do we still have to experience first cancer so that we can cure it? come to think of it...
haha
Pro RH Bill!
Read the bill before reacting, it's the best way to clear all the queries you have in mind.
"That special power of loving that belongs to a woman is seen most clearly when she becomes a mother. Motherhood is the gift of God to women. How grateful we must be to God for this wonderful gift that brings such joy to the whole world, women and men alike! Yet we can destroy this gift of motherhood, especially by the evil of abortion, but also by thinking that other things like jobs or positions are more important than loving, than giving oneself to others. No job, no plans, no possessions, no idea of "freedom" can take the place of love. So anything that destroys God's gift of motherhood destroys His most precious gift to women-- the ability to love as a woman."
Mother Teresa
"Selfishness and fear are at the root of (pro-abortion) legislation...We in the Church have a great struggle to defend life...life is a gift not a threat."
-Pope Benedict XVI
i am favor for anti rh bill...
many people suffer bcoz of widespreading population around the worl. Some places become crowded and there are many violences occur in our own world...
but how about if our population decreases by means of Rh Bills...we know that every hour there are people die...
if that cases,we should not blame them by their mistake especially aids,hiv or sti...coz god is the only one who judge if we are going to died or not...
we have our own idea on how to handle our relationship...
and god said we should need to multiply...
he create us to be his fellowship and to understand what his word and also to be faithful to him...
thnx alot :)
yes aq....hirap n pilipinas...dagdagan pa ng sa ka tutak n papulation,,,
Ako ay para sa pagpapatibay ng isang batas na naglalayong pangalagaan ang kalusugan ng mga ina, tulungan ang mga mag-asawa sa pagplano ng kanilang pamilya upang mabigyan ang bawat supling nila ng edukasyon at tiyakin na mabuhay sila ng may dignidad.
Ang Reproductive Health bill ay HINDI naglalayong pumatay, HINDI nito isinusulong ang abortion, sa halip, masasalba nito ang buhay ng may 4,100 hanggang 4,900 na inang namamatay taon-taon dahil sa komplikasyon sa panganganak, base sa pag-aaral ng United Nations. Ang ibig sabihin nito, 11 hanggang 13 na mga ina ang namamatay araw-araw, dahil sa impeksyon, pagdudugo, o iba pang komplikasyon sa panganganak.
Ang mga ito ay mapipigilan sa pagdagdag ng pasilidad at health care attendants sa probinsiya na nilalayon ng batas. Ang pagbibigay din ng edukasyon ukol sa family planning, natural at modern contraception ay makakatulong sa mga ina para maiwasan ang komplikasyon sa panganganak.
Ayon sa Department of Health, 12% ng bilang ng namamatay ay dahil sa abortion.
Ipinagbabawal ang abortion sa Pilipinas, pero ayon sa pag-aaral, may 500,000 hanggang 800,000 (base sa World Health Organization) na sumasailalim dito taon-taon. Karamihan sa mga abortion o tatlo sa bawat apat na kaso, ayon sa Likhaan, isang women's health group, ay dahil hindi na kaya ng isang ina ang karagdagang anak dahil sa kahirapan.
Sa pagpasa ng RH Bill, mapipigilan nito ang paglaganap ng abortion. Ang isang ina ay mabibigyan ng oportunidad na pumili sa iba't ibang paraan ng contraception para maplano ang kanyang pamilya. Kapag siya ay nakapili ng paraan, mapapangalagaan ang kanyang kalusugan dahil hindi na siya manganganak taon-taon.
Ayon din sa demographic and health survey nitong 2008, ang pinakamahihirap na kababaihan ang may pinakamaraming isinisilang. Higit lima ang kanilang anak, pero tatlo lamang ang kanilang ninanais. Base sa pag-aaral ng World Bank, 24% lamang ng mga kababaihan sa pinakamahirap na 20% ng populasyon ay gumagamit ng family planning kumpara sa 58% sa Vietnam at 49% sa Indonesia. Ito ay sa kabila ng pag- aaral na nagsasaad na kalahati ng pagbubuntis sa Pilipinas ay hindi planado.
Ayon din sa pag-aaral, halos kalahati ng mga pamilya na may 7 o higit na miembro ay mahihirap. Noong 2006, higit sa kalahati ng mga pamilyang may 3 o higit na anak ay mahihirap. Ayon din sa pag-aaral, 2 sa bawa't 3 pamilyang mahihirap ay may tatlo o mahigit na anak.
Sa tinatayang 4,000 sanggol na isinisilang araw-araw, isa lang sa apat ang makakarating sa kolehiyo, at sa bilang na ito, isa sa bawat 100 ay mula sa mahirap na pamilya. Litanya ito ng mga statistics na hindi maikakaila, na ang may kinalaman an laki ng isang pamilya sa kahirapan.
Ang RH Bill ay isa sa mga paraan para labanan ang kahirapan, iangat ang estado ng kababaihan at bigyang dignidad ang bawa't sanggol na isinisilang.
Ito ang dahilan kung bakit ako, isang mamamahayag, isang babae at isang Pilipino ay gustong mapabilang sa mga sumusuporta sa RH bill.
we should think very well and very clear about this issue!coz it will easily change our lives...
it is not about the RH Bill, it's about "development" and the way we define it... These will be an endless debate...but the poor are too busy to discuss this... what they need is opportunity and a sustainable income. I think those who are busy discussing this issues are not poor but put themselves as if they are...
isa rin po aqng es2jante and also aware to the issues concerning this bill...
it is not a sin to have many children.
the Bible say's GO YE AND MULTIPLY. pro hindi ibig sbhin na porket it is Biblical na ay pti mga walang muwang pa sa environment ay may privacy to take a premarital sex... as one of the student,pra sa akin lng po ay isipin dn ntin mga kapwa Filipino ang mggng effects ng bill n2 4 our future life esp.those next generations..one thing more hindi tlga dapat sa mga taong may takot sa Diyos na gwin to..how could we declare that Philippines is a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY kng ang mga leaders mismo ang ngpa2simuno ng hindi karapat dapat sa knilang nasa2kupan???
come to think please....
PHILIPPINES IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY..
LOVE GOD
LOVE LIFE
LOVE THE PHILIPPINES
GOD BLESS US ALL!!!!
For me, being a Church member, RH Bill is just an initial program or a start for the legalization of many factors that are not good which are immortal. I am a high school student, an altar boy and an active member of the Church. If the RH Bill is now implemented, the next topic will be the Deaths' Bill where the abortion, divorce, sex education, homosexuality or same sex marriage, mercy killing and euthanasia. This things will be legal after years because of the effect of Reproductive Health Bill. I'll give you all a question and you can share it with your friends and family. Can we, Philippines, just be different with other countries like America to be a Pro-Life country? Isn't it good that Philippines is a Pro-Life country? And another one, we have many more ways to prevent Poverty. Like not buying rice from Thailand and Vietnam. Philippines are rich in Grains and Agricultural Industry. Like here in Mindoro, we have many rice fields that can feed Mindoreños and can export more rice to other Southern Tagalog Provinces. There are also many Crops and Grain fields in Northern Luzon and other part of Bicol Region, Visayas and Mindanao. We can make a relocation area for Squatters to those Rich person. We have many programs for it. Another one is about the Priest that do not getting married. They are not allowed to be married because it is according to the Canon Law of the Church. Another reason is, they will be focus on the service to proclaim the Word of God because there is no other sub-focus like families. They should concentrate on preaching not in staying home and caring there children. So let us set aside the RH Bill. Be a Pro-Life.
Peace Be With You All... Both Pro & Anti RH Bill,
Since I was Born I stand my position as Pro life, Because I
really understand of what the Bible says through GOD,Too many Children in one family is not the cause of poverty,because GOD is great, in this,In my own understanding Both Parties has hidden agenda if I was not wrong,at the side of the Pro RH Bill and Catholic Church BUSINESS is the root of this and is not for the people.Education are one reason to justified to this subject matter,while religious give more jobs.. To end this issue,, I suggest both parties well create Good Program for the people and let the religious organization limit their business such as school education and hospital business.such as Ateneo,San Beda,all Religious school,We will call the attention to our Politician to please eliminate this kind of practice aside from that they will not pay taxes to our Government in this ideas the lower income family can afford to send their children for good education.
alin ba ang mas malaki ang kasalanan? ang ipasa ang RHBILL or ang mag anak ng marami and force their children to beg for barya to the streets, walang education, and in the future karamihan maging magnanakaw, kriminal dahil sa hirap ng buhay.
i read the summary of the proposed bill and it makes me sick. I’m strongly against with the bill and for what reasons?
There’s no need to implement the so called bill we just really need today is the actions. There are parts of bill's coverage are redundant like; promotion of breast feeding (hospitals are on to it, confiscated the bottle and educating us "breastfeeding is good for babies"), counseling of reproductive health (this is during the application of marriage license) treatment of breast cancers, elimination of violence against women and children(we have republic act 9262), child health and nutrition (schools and barangays hand and hand on it ) free contraceptives? is this really for the people? or because of their hidden agendas?(where is PHILHEALTH now?PAGIBIG? GSIS? TAX? Those are deducted from our payslips are they satisfactory doing their jobs??if not y passing this bill?? how much will be deducted again from our below standards wage??
Look 80% of people already use the f-planning method and knew the consequences of having more children. (still we are growing)
What we really need today to eradicate poverty and control population is not contraceptives but to LOVE in real-yes it has something to do with moral, responsible and loving parent, conduct seminars/educate depressed areas, provide jobs, provide anticorruption strategy,discourage the youth on pre-marital sex, abstain girlfriend and boyfriend relationship at minor age, make people busy and educate people of being responsible and loving citizen.
this perhaps are the better solutions
It was interesting to read all the comments and so nice to hear the different perspectives of a variety of filipino citizens...
i have just read the full text of the bill, and frankly, i cannot say i know absolutely what this bill means to an ordinary citizen like me.
I am a regular employee, my salary is being deducted a significant amount of money for taxes.. i am a mom of 2 kids, aged 1 and 3.. after reading the RH Bill, I wonder how this will affect my daily life, as well as the future of my kids..
i will not claim to have a solution to poverty. I will not claim that I know how it feels not to be able to feed 8 kids, and provide a good shelter.. but i cannot say I am not aware of these issues..
I have seen so many debates on the RH Bill, and it has always appeared to be a debate of the catholic church and the state..when I guess it should not be.. in the first place, both anti and Pro RH Bill advocates are come from the catholic and non-catholic religion.. the argument has always been coming down on morality..i would not like to dwell on that..
I want to focus more on the logic of this bill, and what benefit this brings to an ordinary filipino like me. so here goes..
- i understand that family planning supplies shall be procured and distributed. I assume procurement and distribution of these modern family planning supplies will be funded using taxpayer's money. does this mean that portion of the money deducted from my monthly salary will go to the procurement and distribution of these family planning supplies to the "poor families"? Does this mean, that although I attempt to be a responsible parent, and abstain as needed, i still will be compelled to pay for the pills and condoms of those people who cannot control themselves? that even as i practice self control, i'd still need to buy condoms and pills for those impoverished filipinos who, by the way may be minors? and does this mean that the money, that i could've instead used to buy my kids' milk will be used to buy pills and condoms for other parents, so that they can enjoy sex, without getting pregnant?
not to be selfish, though.. i'd like to help. I have done some outreach activities myself and have seen how poor our poor people are. but i wonder, is this the right way to help them? by allowing them to just have sex but preventing pregnancy? is this the better option that teaching them livelihood, so they can have less time to spend having sex, thus avoid pregnancy?
- by simply distributing the family planning supplies (i do not see any provision for age), am i then supporting, pre-marital sex? if i support the distribution of the family planning supplies to teens, am I in effect saying, it is okay to have sex at 14, just don't get pregnant
- if this bill gets passed, with the provision of the sex education in schools, this will definitely impact the education of my kids. If I opt not to have my kids take the subject/course, will I pay less tuition fee? if this is taught in public schools, and I opt out, how do I eliminate misinformation? I think the argument for teaching sex education in schools is to ensure that kids are given proper information with respect to sex, instead of the kids getting misinformed thru their peers, TV or internet. If I have the kids take this sex education, how can I be sure that my kid will not be misinformed via internet or TV? Been in school myself.. and I think, internet and TV have more impact that classroom education
- if sex education will be added in the curriculum, how sure am I that the teachers are qualified to teach this subject, especially the public school teachers? I think some years ago there was an expose on how bad our teachers are in the ENGLISH subject. If english cannot be mastered by our teachers, how can i be sure they are equipped to teach sex education?
- how different is this sex education from biology and health education? I remember being taught the modern family planning methods when I was in high school (i came from a public HS, btw), we were also taught the reproductive system when we were in grade 5. so what else will be added?
- if this will alleviate poverty, how soon do we realize the benefits of this bill? if i were a business woman investing money on this initiative, my question is, what is my ROI? also, i am curious to know, what will be the measures of success
admittedly, some of the provisions of the RH Bill, I agree to. for the most part, i do not understand quite well, and so I have so many questions.. which really are concerns of an ordinary filipino citizen..
i am speaking as a taxpayer,and a mother
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gd am everyone...with all the respect...i did not favor to RH BILL.coz i believe and have great faith in ROMAN CATHOLIC...in every decision they make it is the well of God(hindi sila nagkakamali)...All of the things in this world is temporary including us.all of the difficulties in life that we experience here in this world natural/normal because we are under process or under observation by God who really believe in him. we are claiming that the root of poverty is over population.the parents cannot give proper nourishment for the child,cannot give a normal life(kasi anak ng anak tama ba yan)Discipline your self.Dont let your children suffer in poverty.my recommendation to this problem that we experience how to eradicate this poverty or even minimize the poor is not the RH BILL it is because of the attitude and behavior of the people.we have to discipline our self specifically parents if you don't want to bear or add your child/children make a discipline to your oneself.(para s lalaki kong ayaw mong m buntis ang partner mo wag kayong mag_sex...anak ng anak wala n mn pangpakain )i hope all the person favor to RH BILL you get my point...we don't knew all of this is only a trials that God allow to happen pra alam natin kong pano e discipline ang mga sarili natin...We have to change our attitude...
There's no OVER POPULATION in the Philippines... Only, the distribution of people in the Philippines is concentrated in Manila...
The Government should focus on developing the whole Philippines..
give opportunities to the people in rural areas. Instead of building universities here in manila, establish universities on every region.. In doing so, the distribution in the entire philippines would be at least close to equal.. thus, maximizing our resources...
there is a proponent in RH bill... The Americans invested in the RH bill of the Philippines so our population will be low... para di natin magamit ang resources natin talaga in a maximum level... since may spare tayong resources, mabibigay natin un sa mga amerikano dahil low na talga sila sa resoucres.. raw resources
as of today, 8 revisions have made on the RH bill
Isa ako sa mga naniniwalang dapat lang talaga na magkaroon ang Pilipinas ng reproductive health law, hindi dahil salungat ako sa kagustuhan ng simbahan... maraming ng pagbabago ang nagyayari sa mundo tila ata napagiiwanan na ang simbahan para imulat ang kanyang mga mata sa tunay na nangyayari sa kapaligiran...
Nakakalunggot isipin na tumututol ang mga pari at obispo samantalang napa limitado lamang ng kanilang kamalayan sa kung ano ang realidad. Dati ako seminarista at alam ko ang kung ang kalakaran sa loob ng simbahan... may mabuting bagay subalit mayroon di na namang hindi katanggap... hindi ko na kailangan idetalye pa... gone are the days the church is powerful indeed... Kung concern kayo sa kalagayan ng mga mamamayan bkit hindi kayo kumawala sa apat na sulok ng mundo nyong ginagalawan at harapin ang tunay ng mundo.... Kayo ang mga LOSER sapagkat takot kayong humarap sa katotohanan...
Hindi nyo talaga nararamdaman ang tunay na pakiramdam ng taong walang makain... ng taong walang matulugan ng masarap na higaan... ng taong ayaw gumawa ng mga di kanais nais upang makasurvive sa buhay... ng mga taong alipusta ng kahirapan... HINDI nyo lahat ito nararamdam sapagkat you are in your comfort zone... Ang alam nyo lang gawin ay sumalungat subalit wala naman kayo alam na konkretong solusyon...
Ang pagkakaroon ng RH laws ay maaring makatulong subalit hindi naman talaga STATE o SIMBAHAN ang tunay makapag didikta sa SARILING KAGUSTUHAN,... ANG TAO AY MAY PAG IISIP at bandang huli SIYA pa rin ang MASUSUNOD... May batas man o wala... IKAW TAO ay talagang dapat na magisip at gumawa ng tamang ang pagpapasya
para sa akin sang ayon akong ipasa ang rh bill para d n dumami ang populasyon dito na nagcacause ng di pag unlad ng ating bansa... di naman kasi ang meaning ng rh bill eh for abortion.... ang rh bill e2 ung paggamit ng contraceptives... d nmn porket gagamit ka ng contraceptives eh for abortion na kaya kanga gagamit para di ka mabuntis at maiwasan ang mga sakit s pakikipagtalik... ipasa dapat ang rh bill para d na dumami ang mga batang d makapag aral at kulang s mga kylngn nila like food.... hindi ba kau naaawa s mga batang isisilang na magiging mangmang lang pala kasi mahirap lng ang magulang nila at madame pa sila kaya ayun hanggng s pagtanda eh walang pag unlad s buhay nila....
walng married na priest because GOd wanted them to concentrate mainly on how to spread the good news from GOD.. God loves us so much, life is a gift from GOD, why we should waste it? the world that God created was so wonderful ba't di natin bigyan na chance ang mga unborn na makita ito? ba't tayo gagawa ng isang bagay kung hindi natin kayang panindigan.. it's about being responsible enough, hindi RH bill ang solusyon sa poverty..
please YFC of the Philippines
NO TO RH BILL... i know GOD will listen to us...
may mali yata yung nagsabi about sa hindi daw tinatapos ang nasusulat about subdue...grammar lang po sa nakakaalan ng bersikulo na iyan..para po iyan sa lupa ang subdue diyan..wala pong kinalaman sa sinasabing population control..dahil kung may kinalaman ito, dapat sana walang comma or semi-colon sa lahat ng translation nito..
pareho namang may point ang magkabilang party (pro and anti) dahilan para magtalo talaga sila ng bonggang bongga. Matagal ng pinagdedebatihan yang issue na yan bakit hindi ma solve? eah kasi kung anu ang paniniwala ng isa yun lang ang pinapakinggan niya. what if i-try kaya ng both parties na pag aralan ang point ng bawat isa, pakinggan at tanggaping may tama rin sa point ng iba.
PRO- RH ako kasi hindi naman abortion ang inilalahad nito sa atin kundi contraceptives lang. And i dont think na ganun na ka imoral ang mg pilipino para ipalaganap dito ang abortion. I believe that Philippines is a religious country but not enough reason for the government to be invade by the church's opinion. Pinapanindigan ng mga katoliko ang verse sa bible na "humayo kayo at magpakrami" pero parang masyado naman yata silang naging literal. Hindi kaya ibig sabihin ng verse na yun eah magpakarami sa pananampalataya at nais lang ng Diyos na lalo pang dumami ang mga nakakikilala sa kanya? kung sakali mang dumami nga ng dumami ang tao na nais yatang mangyari ng simbahan kaya ba nilang lahat itong turuan para pangalagaan ang paraiso ng Diyos? Magaling lang naman umapela ang simbahan kasi after kung halimbawa hindi maipapasa ang bill hindi naman sila ang papasan ng lahat ng problema na madadala ng masyadiong maraming tao.
there are several factors must be weigh for further justification and without further adulation i am a pro rh bill program as i read the articles about rh bill and i do believe on it//
"Humayo kayo at magpakarami..."
Kung gusto ng Diyos na magpakarami tayo, bakit di nag-aasawa ang mga pari?
Come to think of it. Hindi naman ile-legalize ang abortion e. Nung una, oo pero tinggal nila dahil yun ang tunay na immoral. Maging praktikal naman dapat ang mga pinoy. Sorry pero opinyon ko lang. Masyado kasi tayong nagmamagaling sa mga bagay-bagay. Kung makikita lang ng tao yung mga nanay na dose-dosena ang anak na walang makain at di makapag-aral, tsaka nila sabihing immoral ang RH Bill. Tsaka nila sabihin immoral ang PAG-IWAS sa pagdami ng populasyon natin. IIWASAN. Kaya nga gagamit ng contraceptives para maKONTRA ang pagdami natin. Sabi nila, "The more the merrier!" Magising naman tayo sa reyalidad! Naghihirap na tayo. WAG NA NATING ANTAYING KUMAIN TAYO NG LUPA BAGO MAG-ISIP NG WASTO.
There are pros and cons in the RH bill. IMO, the bill's main objectives are: legalize abortion, eradicate the poor to eliminate poverty.During Marcos era, POPCOM was created to control the population. WHAT HAPPENED? contraceptives were given free, family planning methods were taught. WHAT HAPPENED?POPCOM's program before was effective.Just review the program and upgrade if needed.
hi guys!!!
Is it true ba tlga na nkasulat sa biblia na dapat tlgang humayo at magpakarmi?
No question about it meron ngang nakasulat pero may mali eh hndi nla tinapos ang buong pahayag ng dyos ang sabi humayo kau at magpakarami at inyong “supilin “ by that word na ang kahulugan ay I under control
Ang sabi ng mga pari ay malaking kasalanan sa dyos ang ndi pagsunod doon pero king tatanggapin natin hindi bat mas malking kasalanan ang magkaroon ka nga ng marimng anak pero ndi mo namn mabgyan ng maayos na edukasyon o ung tinatawag na basic needs ng tao ano ang gagawin ng mga anak mo?
Magrurugby sa gilid ng kalsada ang iba nagpupunas ng sapatos ng iba sa loob ng jeep ang iba nmn namamalimos o gumagawa ng mga labag sa batas? And the worst thing is tanungin ka ng anak mo musmo bakit nyo ba ako binuahy kung ganito lang pla ang maibibigay nyong buhay sakin
Catholic din ako pero ang masakit lang isipin nagsisimba ako palagi at lagging snsabi ng pari wag gumawa ng masama wag kang manghuhusga ng kapwa mo pero nung narinig kong sinabhan ng mga pari ang mga pro rh bill na mga kampon ng demonyo nag iba ang tingin ko sa kila paano nila itinuturo sa atin n bawal manghusga ng kapwa kung sila mismo ang nangunguna ….
:)
to leslie:
this is not a matter of faith, this is a social problem and we must use our God-given wits to solve it.
Dapat ipasa na ang RH Bill! Tagal na nyan! Hindi pa na aaprobahan! Anu pa ba ang hinihintay nyo? Gusto nyo bang mag times 3 pa ang populasyon ng Pilipinas bago nyo aprobahan yan? common people!!! use your brain!!! not your head!!!
I think theres a reason that it is called the "RH BILL of the PHILIPPINES" rather than "RH BILL of the Roman Catholic".
Also Philippines is a democratic country compose of many religions and not just catholics.
I think its time that all sectors cooperate and give there opinions about this topic and come up with a Bill thats acceptable to all and can benefit the MAJORITY.
Theres more to this bill than condoms, contraceptives and sex.
why is the church so against the RH bill, kasi po if population will be controlled, kokonti nalang ang mga offerings wala na sila pera, di bah?
Huwag ikulong sa kakitiran lawakan ang isipan ipang maindihan. RH billis not about killing.(no murder hapend coz life was not formed yet)rather, it gives an oppurtunity of well living for the child of a married couple w/ a yrs. bracket until they decide to have another child.a birth spacing and family size which they think they can support.
i am anti rh bill.the woman only become an object by man.iys not the solution for poverty..
mga bobo ang ang tutol sa rh bill sana yung mga kontra sa sa rh bill ay makisalamuha o matulog ng isang buwan sa bahay ng mga squtter area na maraming anak na halos di na kayang palamunin at pag aralin ang kanilang anak, puro sila tutol palibhasa ang mga pari walang anak, kaya di nila nadadama ang kahirapan ng buhay,kung gusto nyo akong kausapin tex nyo ako 09213208960 haharapin ko kayo pag usapan natin
Obviously, from my chosen "name" I am a pro-RH Bill person. It is about time that the government do something about population control else the whole country would suffer. It wasn't thought of before because we had enough resources for everyone. No one was complaining about not eating in a day or two. Until somebody finally woke up and face the reality that everyone of us tries to avoid. This Bill will enlighten Filipinos that they are not factories of babies. Percentage of unexpected pregnancies are higher than planned ones. The government has its right to create this for the welfare of everyone. So as everyone has the right to do what he or she prefers to give to their unborn children. The government does not ask you to kill. It will still be up to every human being. After all, He gave us the privilege of choice.
Over Population;Many problem
So GO RH Bill
Why the church is so against RH Bill?
Hindi ba nila nakikita ang problema dahil sa over population?
Every day maraming isinilang na mga bata na hindi kayang buhayin ng kanilang mga magulang.
Mabuti sana kung mag.aaginst sila,e sila ang bubuhay sa lahat ng bata na hindi kayang bigyan ng mabuting bukas ng nagluwal sa kanila.
Sila ang bibigay ng edukasyon at sila ang magbibigay ng pangangailangan ng bata.
Tapos hindi eh,wala silang pakialam kung marami ng nagugutom dahil sa dami ng nangnganak na wala namang maibubuhay.
May simbahan ba na nag.aalaga at nagpapakain ng mga street children at malnurish kids?
WALA NAMAN AHHH.
At bakit nila sasabihing IMMORAL?
Prevention naman yan before consiption.
Ang immoral ay yung mag anak ng mag anak na hindi naman kayang buhayin ang anak.
ANO PA? Sabihin nila na baka gagamitin ito ng mga teenager?
Mabuti nalang yung nag preprevent kaysa hindi naman nila mabuhay ang maisilang nila.
So please...PRO RH BILL....think...
stop over reacting na as if kayo ang magsosolve ng POVERTY dahil sa OVER POPULATION.
Kung mag.aayaw kayo...ok... esolve nyo yan ha.
TINGNAN Natin kung kaya nyong kontrolin ang OVER population at poverty.
No to RH Bill. No country in the world that passes the same law did not eventually legalized abortion. I dont like that Philippines will follow suit. If other countries want to trim their population, then it is to our advantage. We Filipinos will soon populate the whole world.Haha. But seriously speaking... population boom in our country is not really the culprit of poverty... CORRUPTION is!!! Its the capital sin that begets so many sin including poverty. If the country will address such issue... there will be no problem on overpopulation (as you would consider it as it is). Based on my personal experience, in our group of friends, out of 7 couples only 3 couples have children (with 3 children at most). In the office where I work, of the 10 married individuals, 2 have no children at all, only 1 has more than 4 children, the rest could barely make 3. Not of us use contraceptives. Therefore, just give jobs to people and perhaps they would have not much time to indulge on irresponsible sex.
One thing also, if others are given the choice to use contraceptives, why curtail the free speech and freedom of choice of the Church leaders and Catholics of good faith who are against the RH Bill? With this RH Bill issue, the Church and the good catholics (as opposed to bad, pro-choice catholics) have been very much maligned. Remember that the Church is an authority on morality... hence, the state should listen. Go back to the preamble of our Philippine Constitution. It clearly states that as a nation we implore the aid of the Almighty God. It just shows the importance of church and faith in our life as a nation. And how could we implore the aid of the almighty God if we dont listen to the church which majority of the Filipino people belongs to?
Filipinos should go back to the basic. We should not follow the other nations which are going to be doomed!
everyone is entitled to their own opinion,. kaso,. sana ung iba,. before they put their argument published, make sure na hindi sya non-sense., haha
you kept on arguing things outside the topic. "IMPOSE "moral" education (which includes birth control methods btw)" yahp, I agree that the government cannot impose moral education, but how on earth is teaching birth control methods a part of moral education? O_O fallacy ito pare,.
the other arguments and criticism against rh bill are really strong,. however, most of them are idealistic in nature,. hindi lahat ng tao sa Pilipinas pwede sumunod dun sa natural family planning.
1. Hindi lahat ay Katoliko na naniniwala na ang sex ay pwede lamang sa loob ng basbas ng kasal
2. Hindi lahat ng babae regular ang menstrual cycle kaya hindi sila pwede sa calendar method. (sa nag-argue na discriminating ang rh bill, saan ngayon ang may mas diskriminasyon?)
3. Hindi lahat ng tao ay marunong sumunod sa turo ng simbahan na hindi dapat mag engage sa pre-marital sex.
Ang gusto lamang natin ay ma-control ang ating populasyon at bigyang halaga ang mga babae!
Isa pa, ung mga figures na binigay ng ilan ay statistics ng ibang bansa,. may gulay,. it cannot be and will never be applicable sa Pilipinas.
Another thing, abortion is the killing of the fetus or the embryo, pero kung ang definition nio ng abortion eh killing of either the sperm and the egg, edi lahat ng lalaki abortionist kasi I never met any adult male, and I am sure never will, na hindi kelan man nag MASTURBATE (basically, pinapatay nio sperm cell nio pag ginagawa nio un, derecho sa toilet bowl) ^_^ oh, kayong mga lalake, can you honestly say that you can control the urge until you are married already? hahah,. omg,. I don't think so.
Yes, I agree that some provisions in the RH Bill is not that acceptable, therefore we should call for revisions and not the abolishment of it.
Here are facts. They don't lie and they are not bias.
13 LESSONS IN GLOBAL POPULATION FACTS
LESSON 1: If you think there’s a population problem, you’re right — But it’s not the one you’ve been led to believe. We’re not over-populated, we’re mis-populated.
The real problem is... a critical shortage of young people!
And the best solution is larger families!
Read what the experts say:
• DRUCKER (November 19, 1909 – November 11, 2005) (noted management expert): "The birthrate collapse has tremendous political and social implications that we cannot even guess at today… Of all developments, it is the most spectacular, the most unexpected and one that has no precedent whatsoever."
• EBERSTADT (June 19, 1890–November 11, 1969) (former Rockefeller Foundation researcher): "Nearly half the planet's populace [have] sub-replacement fertility levels." This has led to problems such as "how to finance old-age retirement for a rapidly aging citizenry and questions for East Asia related to a looming bride shortage."
• FAZIO (governor of the Bank of Italy): "It is urgent that the number of births increase… in 20-30 years time the deficit of births will have repercussions on economic and social development." Antonio Fazio joined the Bank of Italy in 1960, aged 24, and became governor in 1993
Fazio attends mass every day and has been on a pilgrimmage to Lourdes. He is an authority on the works of Saint Thomas Aquinas, the 13th Century religious philosopher. Fazio was the best paid central bank boss in the G7, earning $743,000 a year in 2003. Despite helping to take Italy into the euro, Fazio was seen as a eurosceptic.
LESSON 2: Far from being overcrowded, the earth is plenty big enough for all of us and a whole lot more. In fact, all 6.8 billion of us could fit nicely into the province of Alberta, Canada.
Earth to population control fanatics: There’s plenty of open land down here!
Just do the math: In October, 1999 the world population reached six billion people. If all those people lived in Alberta, Canada, the population density of Alberta would be 23,503 people per square mile (6,000,000,000 people/255,285 square miles). This is the same population density that New York City currently has. And the rest of the world would all be empty!
People say that India is overcrowded, but do the math again: India, with a population of one billion people, currently has a population density of 788 people per square mile. This is less than the current population density of the state of New Jersey (986).
Even if the world's population doubled 12 billion or tripled 18 billion, we would need very little of the earth's surface for living.
LESSON 3: Many population-elimination advocates claim that we cannot produce enough food to feed a growing population. Yet, we currently feed all six billion people using only 4% of our grain production capacity. If we used 33% of our capacity, we could feed 50 billion people. Read what the experts say:
• We produce enough food for every person to have 3,800 calories a day, at least one third more than what the average person needs.
— Population, Food, and Nutrition, Bender and Smith, 1997
• Virtually all food shortages in African countries are due to “civil strife.”
—UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) news release, August 9, 1999
• Global food production will continue to increase faster than consumption.
—The World Food Outlook, 1997
Food for thought for prophets of famine: There’s already enough to feed us all!
LESSON 4: Population-elimination apologists cast dire predictions of imminent water shortages, unless population growth is curbed. But, as usual, they’re all wet. Two-thirds of the earth’s surface is covered with water and current desalination technology is capable of taming our teeming oceans into potable pools of pure tap water. Read what the experts say:
• The real story of the drought of 1999 is the phenomenal level of distortion that has been heaped upon it. We do not have a worldwide water shortage.
—World Climate Report
• In areas where fresh water is costly to recover, desalination plants currently pour out two billion gallons a day worldwide. One plant in the city of Cape Coral, Florida delivers 15 million gallons a day.
—Technology Review
• One reason for desalination’s increasing popularity is the steady decline in the amount of fuel it requires, which is the main cost of the process. Modern techniques generate 100 units of water for every unit of energy consumed. Four decades ago, rudimentary distillation took 25 units of energy to produce a unit of drinking water.
—Technology Review
LESSON 5: Nothing reveals the dark side of the population elimination movement like the demonstrably racist outcomes of their policies and practices. Results only the Ku Klux Klan could love. Don't believe it? Look below — the facts are all there in black and brown. Look at Africa... South America... India... Harlem… and discover population control's true colors! Read what the experts say:
• Population controllers will go to great lengths to reduce the numbers of children born to people of color.
—Excessive Force: Power, Politics & Population Control
Information Project for Africa, 1995
• Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely. —Alan Guttmacher Institute
• Over 57% of population control money is spent on reducing births of Africans and Latinos.
—International Planned Parenthood Federation 1996–1997 Annual Report
LESSON 6: The theory behind population control relies on the theory of thought control: Create so may obstacles to the truth, that most people will prefer to believe "the Big Lie."
1. The claim that two-thirds of the population is malnourished was originally made by the United Nations in 1950. It was proved to be false then, and continues to be false today1.
2. According to United Nations data, over 80% of the world population is literate2. Therefore the claim that “two-thirds of the world is uneducated” is ridiculous.
3. Children are taught skills in school. According to UN statistics, over 70% of children in India and over 95% of children in China attend primary and secondary schools3. Common sense says that if the kids don't have the right skills, the answer if to change the school program, not to have fewer children.
1 The Ultimate Resource 2, Julian L. Simon, 1996, p. 93–94.
2 Associated Press news story, 10/11/99.
3 World Statistics Pocketbook, United Nations.
LESSON 7: Proponents of population elimination often use dire predictions of global energy shortages to justify their draconian measures. But after decades and decades of false prophecies, there is no energy crisis in sight. It's only our willingness to tackle tough problems that is running on empty. Read what the ‘experts’ have predicted in the past:
• In 1885 and again in 1891, the U.S. Geological Survey said there was "little or no chance for oil" being found in California, Kansas or Texas1.
• In 1951, the Department of Interior's Oil and Gas Division said oil reserves would last only 13 years2.
• Paul Ehrlich, 1975: "What will we do when the pumps run dry?"3.
Despite these dire predictions, oil is in abundant supply and oil prices have generally been falling. All other forms of energy are also in abundance!
1 U.S. Geological Survey (1885 and 1891), as documented in The Ultimate Resource 2, Julian L. Simon, 1996.
2 Congressional hearings on the Energy Independence Act of 1975, as documented in The Ultimate Resource 2, Julian L. Simon, 1996.
3 The End of Influence, Paul and Anne Ehrlich, 1975.
LESSON 8: Planned Parenthood plays down its aggressive abortion programs, preferring to describe such programs in deceptive terms, like "reproductive health," or "family planning." Every dollar given to Planned Parenthood is a dollar that, directly or indirectly, supports abortion.
Life begins at conception1... and ends at Planned Parenthood. Just follow the money:
1. On October 13, 1999, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation gave a grant of $1.7 million to the
ABORTIFACIENTS ARE HUMAN PESTICIDES.
RESPECT THE UNBORN FERTILIZED OVUM.
FOR YOUR EDUCATION: i AM NOT CITING THE COMPLICATIONS OF THESE METHODS.
o Types of Birth Control
1. Contraceptive Barrier Methods
a) Female Condoms
b) Male Condoms
c) Diaphragms
d) Cervical Caps
e) Contraceptive Sponge
f) Lea's Shield
g) Spermicides
2. Contraceptive Patch: CHEMICAL ABORTION
a) Primarily by preventing ovulation.
b) A secondary mechanism of action is inhibition of sperm penetration by changes in the cervical mucus.
c) Hormonal contraceptives also have effects on the endometrium that theoretically could affect implantation.
What happens in the patch-free week?
In the patch-free week (Week 4) you will have a withdrawal bleed. Contraceptive Ring
3. Contraceptive Pills. CHEMICAL ABORTION
h) High-dose, progestin and estrogen (side effects)
i) Low-dose, about half as much progestin and estrogen; and
j) Mini-pill, small amount of progestin, no estrogen.
? They thicken the woman's cervical mucus, which makes it more difficult for sperm to reach the egg.
? They alter the lining of the uterus so that the zygote (fertilized egg, the first stage in the life of a human being) cannot implant.
? The developing baby receives his oxygen and nutrition through the uterus, so if the zygote-baby cannot implant, he starves to death.
? This is, therefore, an abortion.
4. CHEMICAL ABORTION- Morning after Pill or Pharmaceutical Abortions (RU-486). One drug to ensure first that the embryo is killed, and a second to induce contractions so that the dead embryo is expelled from the uterus of the mother. "Human pesticides".
5. Contraceptive Injectables: Depo-Provera
i. Lunelle
6. Contraceptive Implantables
• Implanon (under the skin)
• Norplant (under the skin)
7. Contraceptive Divice
• Intra Uterine Devise (IUD) MECHANICAL ABORTION
1. Changes the lining of the uterus to prevent the fertilized egg from being implanted.
2. Slow the sperm down enough to prevent it from reaching the uterus and fallopian tube.
8. Contraceptive Vaccines
• Fertility Regulation Vaccines FRVs Femaleor or AFV – Anti-Fertility Vaccine
• Fertility Regulation Vaccines FRVs for Male
9. SURGICAL CONTRACEPTIVE: MUTILATION
• Tubal Ligation
• Vasectomy/ Vasectomy Reversal
10. Natural Family Planning
• Basal Body Temperature
• Fertility Charting
• Standard Days Method
• Ovulation Method
• Rhythm Method
Mga tanga pala kayo. Lumalaki na ang populasyon ng buong mundo lalo na sa mahihirap na bansa kagaya ng Pilipinas. Karamihan naman sa mga tao sa atin ay walang disiplina. Mga tao sa skwater 10 anak kahit alam na hindi kayang suportahan. Dapat lang ipasa itong RH Bill na ito. Pag-laki ng populasyon paglaki ng demand sa resources at trabaho. Kaya maraming naghihirap sa pilipinas ay gawa rin ng mataas na populasyon. Walang trabaho mga tao, walang makain, mataas ang competisyon sa buhay kaya common sense lang. Lagi kayong sunod sa bibliya kaya nga tayo binigyan ng diyos ng utak para mag-isip at resolbahin ang ating mga problema. Mga tangang pari mga tangang tao gusto nyo pang maging kagaya natin ang sitwasyon ng India. Tapos galit kayo sa western world panay naman ingles nyo mga Pilipino rin naman nag uusap at nagbabasa ng article na to english pa salita nyo, pag umasa tayo sa ingles para nyo na ring sinabi na asa tayo sa mag english speaking countries. Bakit hindi natin gawin popular ang Tagalog kagaya ng ginawa ng mga Ninuno ng mga taga Inglatera at Estados Unidos.
i believe that using contraceptives and other method to control bith is considered "abortion" and "mortal sin".. as a student, i am also aware of what is happening around me.as what i have observed many teens engaged theirself on different activities in which we should not engaged into.. got pregnant because of the so called "curiousity".. because of curiousity, they forgot that they commited the sin. "sana lang po hindi lang sa school makakuha ng good advice ang mga batang katulad namin. we need guidance from our family. dapat ipagsiksikan sa isipan ng mga kabataan na ang pakikipag talik ay hindi gawain ng mga kabataang tulad namin at dahil ito ay para lamang sa mga mag-asawa na mayroong basbas mula sa simbahan.
life is just short.. so why make it shorter?
oh common.. yang reproductive health bill ay dapat hindi isabatas.. lalu lang matuto ng hindi maganda ang mga tao.. xempre, magiging legal na yung contraceptives, abortion and other procedures na nakakapigil sa pagdami ng populasyon.. baka mamaya ay pati mga bata ay walang takut ng gumawa ng premarital sex since pwede na nilang agapan ang pagdadalang tao.. so i guess, being a catholic, i disagree with this republic health bill.. lets give everyone a chance to live!
There's no way of passing this bill..
first question is "it is constitutional?"
Base Article II Section 2
"[State]shall equally protect the life of the mother and the unborn from conception"
now what is conception?
base on the framers of such provision and Hector de Leon's Textbook on Philippine Constitution issued last 2008, page 90 "Human life commonly believed to begin from the moment of conception when the female egg and the male sperm merge at fertilization." It proves that the usage of pills etc. except condom is unconstitutional because it ejects the fertilized egg.
Also, what RH bill advocates always say that "RH Bill is science so therefore it is the truth"
this is the biggest foolishness I've ever heard regarding this matter. Even SCIENCE did betray RH bill.
Why did I say so? Philippine Medical Association and Harvard Medical School both agree that life begins at fertilization unlike what Rep. Edcel Lagman (one of the authors of this bill) was saying that "life begins at implantation".whom will i believe?to a REPRESENTATIVE or to groups of people which really know what science is? I think he said this because if and when the "life begins at fertilization" is accepted as the interpretation of the word "conception" it will derail the bill into a junk. The RH bill advocates shall accept that fairly.
another point
on of the section of this bill is very alarming. it is said that it will impose fines,force and charges against the process .. it is a direct violation of article 3 section 5 of the constitution, why? I'll give you a situation.
if i don't want to do that thing because of my religious belief or just i think it is not benificial for me, so i will be punished by this law if passed?this law violated my right to believe as stated at article 3 section 5....the case of Ebralinag et. al. vs Division of City School of Cebu can also support my point.
those facts that there are holes in this bill are really fatal.
I am not defending this argument not just because i am a roman catholic, i'ts because i do agree that this bill is unconstitutional. As long as the 1987 Constitution stands as the fundamental law of the land, there's no level of argument that can change that!
Even if this bill may be benificial for all of you, there's no room for this bill to be passed. "Dura Lex Sed Lex!" ( the law may be harsh but it is tha law)
Pronouncements of the Church on the RH Bill have become intense and have been included in the sermons of the clerics. I suggest they read the proposed provision before they give such ideas. Better, they bring their concerns to the proper forum. The clerics should also be aware of the "vox populi vox dei" principle. This is not a matter of proponent and opposition. We worked very much during the moral recovery days and let us not threat persons in positions with "excommunication", "anti-life", "promiscuity", and other terms used for misinformation.
By the way, I now consider myself as excommunicated.
if you will based your arguments on "religion" or "divine" matters, well i don't think that it would be debatable because God is undebatable. Besides, if you will based it on moral,or hmm..let's say "hmm..i disagree with the idea of rh bill because its a sin to God', well,to other people who has other religion,this may be acceptable to them, or to their culture...though, IM NOT IN FAVOR OF RH BILL.:)
Hi,
here are 9 best arguments why Catholics oppose the RH bill.
please pass the rh bill. it is very much needed. if there be any provisions in it that is immoral, then that would be the concern of the church since that is their mandate.
i cannot help wondering why the pope allowed condoms to be used as preventive measures for STDs. married laities do not need such. are they for the clerics?
I fully agree with you Jadedsecret that this law isn't telling people, especially minor people, to "go have sex, no worries we provide a great deal to prevent each and everyone of you to have diseases, or get pregnant". By all means, the government aren't made of foolish people who only have shallow views in life. The mere fact that, with or without this "law" people keep on saying that "will only push minors to have sex", people will keep on having sex is a very telling thing that the government doesn't hold such an authority about it. No one can push you to do something when you yourself wanted it in the first place. It's never been a wonder to everyone of us that indeed, sexual intercourse is full of pleasure and it's not up to the government whether or not people will act or not act upon it.After all, by doing such, no one will break a rule. The bottom line about all of this is that the government isn't pushing people, they are just making a move to prevent any bad consequences this "pleasure" we all wanted to experience even before tying our knots with others will bring.
The funny(and disappointing) thing about it is that, when the government is trying to do something in order to ,at least, lessen the rate of people who are having unwanted pregnancy and whatnot, the CHURCH, who claims to be the "moral compass" of the society, is pushing that possible solution for this growing problem Philippines is facing right now. Yet in a sense, they haven't really convince people to not have sex through their preaches. People go in and out of the church and all of a sudden, they are lying in bed with their "lovers" while contemplating what had just happened between them. Is that a sign that the CHURCH's teachings penetrates their people? No. In the first place, they aren't even talking about sensitive issues like sex. That's why, as you've said, there are parents who can't open up a topic about sex with ease. That's why they failed to deliver what's the real essence of making love to people thus making it looks cheaper for others. They didn't reach the people they claim to serve.
Isn't RH Bill suggests that it will "kill" humans. No it isn't. It's even the opposite one. They are preventing people to die from diseases. Because RH Bill isn't only about unwanted pregnancy but the tendency to have HIV/AIDS. You Africa right now, the amount of people having HIV there decreases, because they started using "condoms" and other "artificial contraceptives". And what's intriguing is that even the "POPE" ,after making such speeches about the true essence of making love and all the thing God had said in the bible, he ended up suggesting to African people to go use condoms. Just google it up and see what I'm talking about.
i don't want to think anything! MASAKIT ANG ULO KO.
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Opposition against RH bill is mainly because:
1. As EMPLOYERS, we do not want to be compelled to provide free reproductive health care services, supplies, devvices and surgical procedures( including vasectomy and ligation) to our employees, and be subjected to both imprisonment and/ or a fine, for every time that we fail to comply. (Sections 17 states that employers shall rovide for free delivery of reproductive health care services to all workers more particularly women workers. (Definition of RH and Rights Section 4, par. g Sec. 21, Pars.c and Section 22 on Penalties)
2. AS HEALTH CARE SERVICE PROVIDERS , we do not want to be subjected to imprisonment and/or a fine, if we fail to provide reproductive ehalth care services such as giving information on family planning mthods and providing servies like ligation and vasectomy, regardless of the patient's civil status, gender, religion or age (Section 21 on Prohibited Acts, Letter a, Pars. 1 to 5 adn section 22 on Penalties)
3. AS SPOUSES, we do not agree that our husband or wife can undergo ligation or vasectomy wihout our consent or knowledge. (Sect. 21 on Prohibited Acts, Letter a, Par. 2)
4. AS PARENTS, we do not agree that children from age 10-17 should be taughht their sexual rights and the emans to have a satisfying and "safe" sex life as part of their school curriculum. (Section 12 on Reproductive Health education and Section 4 definition of Family Planning and Productive Health Paragraphs b, c and d)
5. AS CITIZENS, we do not want to be subjected to imprisonment and/or pay a fine, for expressing an opinion agaisnt any provision of this law, if such expression of opinion is intepreted as constituting "malicious disinformation" (Section 21 of Prohibited Acts, Par. f and Section 22 on penalties)
6. We also oppose other provisions such as losing our parental authority over a minor child who was raped and found pregnant( Section 21, a, no.3)
7. We also do not agree to the provision which reclassifies contraceptives as essential medicines (Section 10) and appropriating limited govt. funs to reproductive services instead of basic services. (Section 23)
The above article is true. We are changing. The youth are changing. They need this bill in order for them to revealed their curiosities.
Instead of criticizing the RH BIll I would rather focus on the morality of human sexuality. In the beginning when God created human being He created man and woman. The sole purpose is for a man to have companion. They both commanded by God to subdue the earth. God said "Go and Multiply." A command that everyone should obey to fulfill the Will of God. From this point,the purpose of sexuality is for procreation. Therefore, sexual intercourse is intented for procreation. But, take note that the sexual contact is done only by a married couple. The couple must be male and female united by the sacrament of matrimony. I have never been read a Bible passage allowing people to use contraception if necessary.
rhb proponents should read this:
"""Frankly, the CBCP wouldn't probably understand a thing or two about family planning until each of them are raising children of their own.""" korek!!!!!!korek!!!!!!korek!!!!!!
I just dont understand why the Catholic Church keeps on fussing over this issue. We are already over populated and continues to be larger as time passes by. If RH Bill won't be acted, then definitely we will be the ones whose gonna be affected. Life nowadays is hard and let's all think practical. Religion apart, we know that Family Planning is the best way to keep track of the number of births per family.. and obviously, the minimal number of family members, the better. Because in this sense, we can duly provide our necessities and have a better future ahead! Guys, dont be irrational.
I just want to point out that the main issue in this issue is not about natural or artificial contraception, not prolife or antilife, but the fact that humanae vitae of the catholic church teaches that sex is not to be used for pleasure, universally, even for church-wed couples. If you want to have sex with your wife and you don't want a baby, forget it, it is a sin. Even the withdrawal method, which for some however is a natural method, is forbidden. I don't care about the RH bill. If the government wants to promote family planning, they can do it even without this bill. FAMILY PLANNING PER SE, however, IS ALSO AGAINST THE HUMANAE VITAE. So imagine the depth of this issue. How would the catholic people react to the truth--BAWAL MAKIPAGTALIK SA ASAWA KUNG AYAW MABUNTIS?
@Neigyl R. Noval
I drafted my counter arguments for each of those you presented however as i read on, i realized yours are getting absurd. To site a few, freedom of informed choice definitely does not mean watching x-rated videos! Freedom of informed choice means that couples have the right to know their options with regards to family planning and/or birth control methods and that they're free to choose which they think best suites them as long as it is does not violate the provisions for the preservation of life.
You are attacking this phrase by phrase, thus changing the essence of the whole paragraph. You are being selective with the matters to attack and how you attacked those makes it apparent that you don't actually understand thoroughly. But then again, you are entitled to that as much as i am entitled to mine.
the Church does not want an educated majority thinking for themselves. they want us to procreate and not question their teachings because an educated citizenry will shy away from the church. a lot of filipinos living in poverty line are destitute and very desperate due to lack of education. frustration of making ends meet leads to desperate measures. desperation leads to crime and crime is rampant in the metropolis and will continue to increase with the population. filipinos say leave it in God's hands and He will provide as long as you do not deviate from the Church. make babies, support and worship the Catholic Church and hope for the best while praying and God Will Save Us. when did you ever hear the Church helping out typhoon victims or poor people in general. they dont open their doors for shelter and they should because we are all God's children. I believe they do not want filipinos to have choices because when that happens their teachings will also be in peril.
There are good things about this bill. But, there are also bad things in it. However, the
bad things prevails--that is the reason why I will present the bad things. You need to
have a copy of the RH Bill on sight for you to be guided accordingly.
Here are the irregularities of the RH Bill. Please read this carefully so that you may be
aware of this:
Section 2. First paragraph: "...respect for life in conformity with internationally
recognized human rights standards."
--> Why not in conformity with the Philippine standards? Why international? Do we need to follow other countries way of population control and reproductive health? Or are we undermined or enslaved by the first world countries? Philippines is known for its good and kind people like being hospitable, which other countries are seeking to learn. We have our own standards.
Section 2. Third paragraph: "...sustainable human development is better assured with a manageable population of healthy, educated and productive citizens."
--> If you love our country, or if you love other people, you will see that this
statement may promote euthanasia, divorce, etc. If you don't see it, seek more of its
meaning. It lies beneath the underneath. There will be an unequal distribution of wealth. Don't you see it?
Section 3. (a): "In the promotion of reproductive health, there should be no bias for
either modern of natural methods of family planning;"
--> Nothing in this bill that promotes the natural family planning.
Section 3. (e): "The limited resources of the country cannot be suffered to be spread so thinly to service a burgeoning multitude that makes the allocations grossly inadequate and effectively meaningless."
--> Whoa, more money for the rich! If you look at this bill only on its presented
purpose and overlooking its effects, then we have a problem. You see? This promotes more wealth for the rich.
Section 3. (f): "Freedom of informed choice, which is..."
--> What is meant by informed choice? Does it mean everyone is free to watch x-rated films? How about the kids? How about a demonstration in class? Oh, it's our choice! We are free to be informed of it. Really?
Section 3. (g): "While the number and spacing of children are left to the sound judgement of parents and couples based on their personal conviction and religious beliefs..."
--> This statement is contradicted by Section 10.
Continued: "...such concerned parents and couples, INCLUDING UNMARRIED INDIVIDUALS, should be granted..."
--> This includes minors, and lovers not capable of being a parent. This promotes
pre-marital sex, non-marital sex, abortion, promiscuity, fornication, incest, etc.
Anyway, we are free to do it!
Continued: "...and should be guided by qualified State workers and professional private practitioners;"
--> Why are church leaders not included? Why do priests, bishops, nuns, etc not
involved?
Section 3. (j): "Development...that seek to uplift the quality of life of the people,
more particularly the poor, the needy and the marginalized;"
--> What assurance will the poor benefits? Please reflect on this. Is it really for the
quality of life?
Section 3. (l): "Respect for, PROTECTION and FULFILLMENT of REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH RIGHTS...not only the rights and welfare of adult individuals and couples BUT THOSE OF
ADOLESCENTS' AND CHILDREN'S AS WELL;..."
--> What reproductive health rights for the adolescents and children? Children are
included, whose mind are not yet mature enough! This may promote a dirty knowledge about this to the children. Parents will be responsible for this.
Section 3. (m): "...as abortion remains a crime and is punishable, the government shall ensure the women seeking care for POST-ABORTION COMPLICATIONS shall be treated...and compassionate manner."
--> This is again contradicted in Section 10. The bill doesn't only contradicts the Law
of Nature but violates the bill itself as well. Post-abortion complications in this
statement is only an admission that abortion really has complications.
Section 4. "Definition of Terms"
--> This may not be that heavy but redefining the common understanding of everyone does not need to be defined.
Section 4. (b): "...which enables couples and INDIVIDUALS to decide freely and
responsibly the NUMBER and SPACING OF THEIR CHILDREN..."
--> "Individuals." Does this mean that unmarried couples have the right to have
children? I'm using my common sense here. You should use yours also.
Section 4. (c): "Reproductive Health - refers to the state of physical, mental and social
well-being..."
--> Why spiritual and moral well-being not included here?
Continued: "This implies that PEOPLE are able to have a SATISFYING and SAFE SEX LIFE, that they have the CAPABILITY TO REPRODUCE and the freedom to DECIDE if, WHEN AND HOW OFTEN TO DO SO, provided that these are not against the law."
--> Take note of the phrases that are in UPPERCASE. People to have satisfaction includes the youth, unmarried, homosexual, etc. And, they may decide when and how often to do so? How about teenagers doing it every minute on the grassland? It is not against the law as long as no one saw them.
Section 4. (d): "Reproductive Health Rights - refers to the rights of INDIVIDUALS and
couples to DECIDE FREELY AND RESPONSIBLY the number, spacing and timing of their
children."
--> Again, the 'individual' word. Does this bill really promotes population control in
which I can decide freely and responsibly the number of children? Suppose I receive great pay, I can raise about 15 children. What a population control! This bill is too vague.
Section 4. (g): "10. Male involvement and participation in reproductive health."
--> Number 1 to 8 of this section may be considered okay. But on 10, how will I be
involved and participate with reproductive health? Isn't it obvious that this refers to
sex? Take note that on Section 4 (c) doesn't include the spiritual well-being.
Section 4. (h): "...relevant information on all matters relating to the reproductive
system its functions and processes and human sexuality..."
--> This may promote promiscuity in education.
Continued: "...developing NECESSARY SKILLS to be able to distinguish between facts and myths on sex and sexuality..."
--> How? Doing actual sexual intercourse in class? What necessary skills? Does it mean the techniques, the positions and the likes? Does it mean the class will have a film showing on pornographic films?
Section 10: "Contraceptives as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES - hormonal contraceptives,
intrauterine devices, injectables and other allied reproductive health products...shall
be considered under the category of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES..."
--> This is the most interesting part. Contraceptives are now considered as ESSENTIAL MEDICINES--not only an ordinary medicine but an ESSENTIAL medicine. We can buy condoms the same way we buy Biogesic. Teenagers can buy those too at an affordable price. Better advertise it so that small children will learn too and if possible imitate it through experiments and practice for better reproductive health learning and to master the NECESSARY SKILLS as depicted in Section 4, h.
Section 12. (g): "Abstinence before marriage"
--> How can this be promoted when the unmarried are allowed to have sex and reproduction (See Section 4)?
Sections 22 - 27:
--> If this become a law, people like me who loves humanity will have no choice to obey it. One reason for peoples immorality may be from this law.
I know you are tired of reading my sharing. That only proves that this Bill has many
irregularities. Erase all those above mentioned parts on the Bill, and the Bill may
become better for the people and will be logical too.
Well for me CBCP is being melodramatic, inconsiderate and narrow-minded. It is so obvious that population and poverty in our country is part of a big chain reaction.
Whenever a person use condom or other family planning methods it doesn't mean they renounce God or religion... their just being responsible.
Have the CBCP members or the people opposing this bill listen or attended the family planning seminars and sex education to say that these are misleading or worthless?
By the way natural family planning is also being discuss in the sex education and seminar. And using contraceptive doesn't really mean you are committing abortion; those are totally two different things...
Not opening your mind to the real world and real problems is more irresponsible and irrelevant than passing the reproductive health bill...
And by the way according to the "saligang batas" the church and government must act as different bodies... meaning the senate can pass the RHB without even consulting or asking the CBCP's opinion... What's happening is more of a "sakayan-palaparan ng papel" issue...
I'm not anti-church or something, in fact I am a married Christian with two beautiful kids. But I do believe that GOD and the bible doesn't prohibit responsible parenting and family planning.
We should be reasonable... and be responsible. It's 2010 we should do what we have to do... Let us think and act maturely and open our eyes... mas malaking kasalanan sa DIYOS ang mag-anak ng mag-anak tapos wla kang ipangtustos at ipakain. Anong kasalanan ng mga bata pra sila ang maghirap sa kakulangan ng magulang nla?
I agree with some bloggers. The best way of reducing the inevitable increase of population is still in its natural way, which is abstinence or calendar method.
it would help to understand where the Church is coming from.
Here is something from the prophetic 1986 encyclical, Humanae Vitae:
"... careful consideration should be given to the danger of this power passing into the hands of those public authorities who care little for the precepts of the moral law. Who will blame a government which in its attempt to resolve the problems affecting an entire country resorts to the same measures as are regarded as lawful by married people in the solution of a particular family difficulty? Who will prevent public authorities from favoring those contraceptive methods which they consider more effective? Should they regard this as necessary, they may even impose their use on everyone. It could well happen, therefore, that when people, either individually or in family or social life, experience the inherent difficulties of the divine law and are determined to avoid them, they may give into the hands of public authorities the power to intervene in the most personal and intimate responsibility of husband and wife."
Humanae Vitae:
Jade, I am proud that you see what reproductive bills are really about. In America, the Roe V Wade was about destroying the relationship between a man, woman and God.
The vicious attacks came from the left wing of the spectrum where feminists thrived because they can not get away with such filth on the right of the spectrum or center.
Nice article here-
Siguro mas maganda kung ang mag-asawa na lang ang magdesisyon kung ano ang kanilang gagamitin na family planning mathod.kasi sila naman ang magdedesisyon kung gano kalaking pamilya ang gusto o nais nila. Kailangan lang nila na maging responsable,dahil ang kalayaan ay may kaakibat na responsibilidad;ang mag-asawa ay malaya na mag "sex" kaya dapat maging responsable sila sa magiging bunga nito.kaya dapat maging responsable sila sa kanilang magiging anak dahil tungkulin ng mag-asawa na bigyan ng magandang kinabukasan ang kanilang mga anak upang hindi sila magiging kawawa sa kanilang paglaki o pagtanda at hindi sila maging "liabilities" lipunan o ng ating bansa.
i think..both leslie and jade have a point in this issue but whatever they want just go! hehehe
Beautifully put Leslie. Thank you for explaining the catholic point of view from the church’s perspective. I’m catholic also, and although I do not always agree with our church, I always make sure I educate myself on our beliefs fully. Also thank you for this article Jadedsecret ! It was very informative and interesting. I think our church should hold firm in their most valued beliefs, because after all, that’s what makes a Catholic Catholic, but sometimes I often wish they’d revise the things that can be changed without changing the underlying meaning. It’s 2010. I suppose this is why so many protestant churches exist. Sigh* oh well, what can you do. I wonder if any catholic is really 110% catholic these days besides the higher ups. By that I mean follows every rule to a T. but, that’s beside the point.
What people continually forget about why the church is opposed
against the use of contraceptives is the PURPOSE of sex that God
gave it. Its primary purpose is for the multiplication of life AND
a celebration of love between 2 people within the sanctity of
marriage. The fact that it is also a pleasurable act is a gift from
GOD to couples in love. If everybody could only remember this fact,
it is clear why the Church is against contraceptives: because the
use of contraceptives totally goes against the purpose that God
gave sex. The only way to have sex RESPONSIBLY is to have sex with
the intention of celebrating your love AND procreation. These 2
intentions MUST be met. If a couple is, because of some serious
reason, cannot and should not have more children, then there is
always natural family planning and abstinence. Love between two
people should never require sex. Remember, Joseph and Mary never
engaged in sex but they loved as man and wife. THAT is what true
love. Plus natural family planning still allows you to engage in
sex and only prohibits you only before and after ovulation. How
hard is to abstain during that time! Plus Natural Family Planning
actually works!
What I find disagreeable with the Reproductive Health Bill the most
is the teaching to age-appropriate students both natural and
artificial methods of birth control. Even at 18, people are still
very impressionable about their choices. People at 18 are often
still very confused and have little or no convictions especially
regarding their faith. Government has the obligation to provide
proper education to the nation but the notion of proper education
in terms of morality will never by concretized because of many
opposing religious views. Yes, it is the parent's responsibility to
provide for the moral education of their children. That is what
RESPONSIBLE parenthood is. If parents are not responsible, the
government should not interfere and "compensate" by teaching what
they perceive as moral because the subject of morality is NOT
absolute. Uneducated parents have the responsibility to SEEK the
knowledge they need to teach their children. Government should not
IMPOSE "moral" education (which includes birth control methods btw)
on students because these are the children of parents who may
oppose these birth control methods.
You ask the seemingly sarcastic and rhetorical question of "If
they're taught to have sex accompanied with the use of artificial
contraceptives, we will spawn a generation of sex maniacs". This
style of question is meant to exaggerate and therefore make the
answer seem obvious. When teaching the use of artifical
contraceptives, you are effectively teaching a child that you CAN
have sex without the intention of having a child and outside
marriage; that sex can be done for the sole purpose of achieving
pleasure and "loving" each other "RESPONSIBLY". Sex is a sacred
activity and and by teaching artificial birth control, you are
practically saying that its a tool that can be used "responsibly"
for pleasure.
As for the issue about so many catholics opposing the ban on
contraceptives, it is again only a rationalization of their want to
have sex freely inside or outside marriage. when rationalizing,
many state various situations to make the use of contraceptives
reasonable. Some situations are when a couple can no longer support
any more children, when a couple cannot control their urges, when a
couple is overly burdened of controlling their urges that their
marriage is at risk. All of these situations reveal a lack of LOVE
for God and for each other and a very very great fear and
unwillingness for sacrifice. As I have stated earlier in this article, a couple in true love, should be able to sustain that love even without sex. A perfect example is Mary and Joseph. Entering marriage should be done responsible and each respective party should know that they love the other enough to endure many hardships, including if they cannot engage in sexual activities. If you cannot sacrifice sexual gratification for a person that you have promised to love and cherish for the rest of your life, what kind of love is that?
Sadly, many catholics are not strong in their faith and the Catholic Church, as an institution run by imperfect humans, cannot perfectly execute the proper nurturing of the catholic community's faith. However, catholics should not criticize the laws that God has decreed as infallible for one's own selfish wants, mistakes and weaknesses. Even if the clergy are imperfect and human, their mistakes and imperfections does not reflect the truth of God's word that has been passed down to us: the sacredness and primary purposes of sex to celebrate love within the sanctity of marriage AND procreate.
Catholics, remember, God suffered EXTREMELY and DIED on the cross for us, why can't we sacrifice a little ourselves to obey his word?
are we really corrupt by nature,because the reality
we are sinful by nature.we try to figure out the
bible base upon our stupidity,and we condem many
by"GOD"sake.They appear so beautifull outward,but
inside they are full of dead mens bone.Many will be
brain-wash,or many will be corrupt,and many will
suffer.Not only we are populating our country,but
we are cluttering it.We use to say cleanlines is
next to Godliness.and"GOD"said in Gennesis.be
Multiply,but be Responsible.Faith with out action
is dead.They will read the Bible but they never
understood, and they make their on doctrine,and
many will revere them by their own doctrin.Be
aware with this religeous righteous,or false
prophet many will be corrupt."GOG BLESS"
ANTONINA 12 days ago
uhmm.for me I'm pro in rh bill because our country has a large amount of population.so i think it"s the time to have a step to controlled it.